Having been a part of the early death metal scene since the late 1980s, Benediction always had a way with keeping things brutal, yet varied. It’s an ethos that still reigns true even today in 2025, with their latest album, Ravage of Empires. Pure, glorious death metal that doesn’t rely on gimmicks or modern trimmings, just songwriting and energy. We caught up with vocalist Dave Ingram to get his thoughts on the album, following up 2020’s Scriptures, his work in podcasting, and what keeps him going in the genre this far into his life.
Dead Rhetoric: What’s the challenge of the follow-up to an album after not releasing an album in 12 years…22 years in your case?
Dave Ingram: The band gave me free reign, they had a lot of songs that were pre-recorded. They had the music to them [already]. I would sort of take them and there were about 30 songs. I chose ones that I felt comfortable with, lyrics that I had written that actually flowed into certain ones. I kept those in. Then I worked with Darren [Brookes], the guitarist, and we sort of changed some of the music around. I’d say, “maybe extend this part or that section, maybe make this section shorter or repeat this part.” That’s what we do when we work together now. I’m in Denmark and he’s in England. It’s all done with drum machines, so we can give the drummer Gio [Durst], who is in Italy, the music and say ‘now you can work on some drums.’
Also, with Scriptures, he had about three weeks to work on the drums. For this one he had 18 months, as long as we were writing it. So as soon as we finished a song, we handed it over to him as well, so he could really put more thought into the drums, and he has! You can totally tell! I don’t want to say we were rushing Scriptures, but we were definitely pushed for time. We still think it came out exceptionally well, and we are all very happy with it.
Dead Rhetoric: Was not having to rush somewhat due to COVID at the time?
Ingram: No, actually! We had written the album and recorded it in 2019. Then the pandemic hit, and we were stuck. We couldn’t do gigs and we couldn’t tour. Then there was the end of the first wave and I managed to fly to England, and Gio came from Italy, and we got the two videos made. So we managed to get all that. Then the second wave of COVID started and it was another two years. So we couldn’t do anything. That’s why it’s been a while. It’s been five years since Scriptures, and it’s really because of COVID. We are talking now about writing a new album already. We haven’t started. I want to talk to the guys. I was just with them last weekend, but we were rehearsing, and I didn’t want to cloud people’s minds with talking about new material. We have some gigs coming up pretty soon and we’ll get going with some ideas. It won’t be as long this time.
Dead Rhetoric: What do you feel makes Ravage of Empires special to you?
Ingram: I had one friend who heard it already, and they said the album is up and down. Not in quality, but in speed and tempo. There’s a lot of variety there. That is something we always try to put in. even back in the ‘90s when I was first in the band. We did try and do all that. I’m particularly proud of the lyrics. I got to spend so much more time on the lyrics. Some of the lyrics on Scriptures, I had already gotten them but hadn’t used them for any band. But I wanted to use them for Benediction. For example, “Stormcrow,” I had been planning to do with a band at some point, but I wasn’t sure which one. When Benediction came along, I decided that was the track to use it for. I am really proud of the lyrics because of the way they flow, and the content as well. It worked really well with the music that the guys wrote.
Dead Rhetoric: I know you are involved with a lot of bands. When you write something, do you delegate it to a specific band or do you keep them around and find a match for it, regardless of band?
Ingram: I get the question, but no. If I’m given an album of music I specifically write for them and I won’t write anything else. For example, when we were writing the Benediction album, I didn’t write for any of the other projects I’m in. I have a brand new one that I really want to work on called Sand Cadaver. I didn’t want to because I have been writing Benediction and I don’t want that overspill. I don’t want anything to come in.
When I write lyrics for Benediction, I’ll mention past songs or bring stuff in. Sometimes it will be little easter eggs you won’t get unless you know the material. That’s just fun and just for me. But no, when I am writing I keep it totally separate. I’m worried about spilling over. What I don’t want to do is spill Benediction into these other bands, because I think they should stand on their own. I don’t want Benediction to think that I am using their name to push another band either, because it’s not. I would never do that. I’m quite proud of keeping it separated.
Dead Rhetoric: You have been a staple in the death metal realm for decades. What keeps you passionate about it and be as involved as you are?
Ingram: Because I know I’m going to die soon [laughs]! No, but when you said I had been around for decades, I suddenly felt old [laughs]. To be honest, it’s a similar thing. It’s not about dying, it’s about being able to physically do this. I’ve got chronic arthritis, and doing things, not just tours, can be painful and take it’s toll. I have to be careful. I did my podcast, with my friend Pete, and we were just talking about this today. In the last couple of years, as long as he has known me, I have lost a lot of weight. It can be done over a period of time.
In the last three months, I have lost about 20 pounds…or 10 kilos for the Europeans. That’s 10 bags of sugar that I have been carrying around extra. It takes it’s toll! Just doing that has really helped me. I’ve been taking vitamins and things like that too, it all helps. Now I have extended my work life, not just my physical life, but the amount of time I am going to be able to do this. It’s fun, and I will be able to keep going, rather than just 3-4 years, maybe 13-14 years. It’s all good!
Dead Rhetoric: You were around in the early ‘90s when Benediction was taking off, along with much of the death metal scene. How do you view that time compared to today?
Ingram: To make the comparison to day, back in the ‘90s there was zero internet. We couldn’t chat like this to start [Zoom]. You’d have to do a phone interview and a tape recorder going. But there’s that. Also back in the ‘90s, if you wanted to get a sample to fans, it was a cd in a magazine. Promotion was more magazines and label-oriented. Now bands can do a lot themselves. Bands should, and you can use the internet as a tool. But I’m preaching to the choir.
That’s the big difference. The quality of the equipment has grown. In the ‘90s, it was good, but it’s digital now and it’s crystal clear. Sometimes that is good, sometimes it’s bad. Analog recordings can sound far superior. That was what we were doing with Benediction in the early days. The tape to tape and reel to reel thing. They were fantastic, but having to splice them and make sure everything was okay, it’s so much easier these days. Today, with Scriptures and Empires, it’s all digital. We are happy to have moved on with the tech.
Dead Rhetoric: You’ve done quite a bit of work with Rogga Johansson over the years. What’s your working relationship been like with him?
Ingram: I have had a lot going on in my personal life lately, and I spoke with him just the other day asking for a time out on things. But on a personal level, I think we have done about 11 albums together and a few guest spots together on other things. We have been working since 2012. That’s 13 years, and I have never met the guy! We have never been in the same room together. He has been in Sweden and I’ve been in Denmark. We do everything on the internet.
I don’t even think we have spoken, like you and I are doing now. We have just done it via email or messenger on Facebook. Stuff like that. He sends me music and I’ll put vocals on, and I always ask him if he is going to have a drummer or drum machine, which I prefer a drummer. Then I like to have the drums on first, so I can see where the fills are and fit the vocals along with them. It’s very easy to work with him. I loved the time that I could record at home, but I’ve moved since then. That’s the personal thing I was talking about, I got divorced. I’ll be recording by borrowing a studio from a friend of a friend, and getting stuff done that way.
Dead Rhetoric: Like you mentioned before, that’s the power of the internet right there!
Ingram: Exactly! That’s the way to look at it. During my down time, I’m doing my podcast, my Metal Breakfast Radio Show, there are still episodes available of that online. If you hunt them down you can find them. I have taken most of them down. Some of the comedy now would be inappropriate, so I got rid of them all. There are still a few up somewhere, but I’m trying to find them to get rid of them myself. But I’m going to bring the show back in the future. But it won’t be as coarse or obnoxious as it was. But yeah, when I was doing that, there were occasional times where someone would write and ask if I wanted to do some guest vocals. I’d do it. I get a lot of offers of that, still to this day. I’ve been so busy, so I haven’t been able to lately, as I have been focusing on Benediction and my personal stuff. But I’ll get back into it soon.
Dead Rhetoric: You’ve been involved in podcasting for quite some time, such as Metal Breakfast Radio, and the other you just mentioned [Old Men Howlin’ at the Moon], what do you like about doing it?
Ingram: Metal Breakfast Radio, it was comedy basically. We would listen to music, and while we listened to this music we hadn’t heard before we would rate it. A bit like a gong show. Something like Mystery Science Theater. We were a little obnoxious and we could be downright nasty after we had a few beers as well. We also drank while we did it. It was all in jest, but I think nowadays, people can be a little too sensitive so we aren’t going to bring it back in the same way. Some of the very obnoxious humor and pop culture references won’t be there. But besides that, it was fun. It was self-indulgent. I could make a playlist of songs that I felt were really important for me. I’d just talk a bit about them, and the other guys would make fun of it. They could bring theirs in, and we’d dance around a bit and make fun of whatever we played. It was fun.
The other show I did was Lambert’s Basement, which was about big band jazz. But those are available online, if people want to hear them. It was just me and my co host, a zombie goldfish. Yeah, you heard that right. It was just a bit of fun. But it’s big band jazz and another love of mine. I had to stop that show because I was getting busy with other bands I was involved with, as well as Metal Breakfast Radio. I stopped that one because of Benediction. Now I’m doing a podcast called Old Men Howlin’ at the Moon. My friend Pete does all the recording and editing and posting online. I basically have to repost the links when the shows go out. As well as being on the show to chat. It’s the easy part of podcasting. But it’s self-indulgent. That’s what draws me towards it. I’m talking about things I like and have affected me. I’m talking about music that is in my heart and I have carried with me. That’s what I love about podcasting.
Dead Rhetoric: There’s been more tweaks with death metal to make it modern and do different things. But do you feel that death metal is kind of timeless?
Ingram: That’s difficult to answer, because I listen to Benediction and older death metal, but I don’t listen to modern death metal at all. Maybe some friends bands, like Entrails, but not much modern death metal. I listen to a lot of stoner and desert rock. Queens of the Stone Age, Kyuss, but I don’t listen to much death metal so it’s hard to make comparisons to the older and new stuff. There have been refinements and changes. I seem to see guys’ hair in bands getting shorter. What’s that all about? Then you go and lose your hair. I might be wearing a hat, but I’ve still got all mine.
But yeah, it’s hard for me to say since I don’t listen to it. Maybe I should [laughs]. But the best one to ask about that would be Gio. He’s 40 so he’s old but not that old. Of the three old guys, I’m the youngest at 56. The other two guys are close to 60. But also, Nik [Sampson], our bass player, he would know more about that. Since stopping Metal Breakfast Radio, I haven’t listened to any new music that isn’t stoner rock. I still listen to the old proto-metal like Sabbath and Jethro Tull, I’m an old fuddy duddy, I’m literally an old man howling at the moon believe me.
Dead Rhetoric: I think you reach a point where you know what you like and that’s what you want to hear. I’m 44 so I’m starting to get to that point. Because of writing, I’m exposed to everything but I have an idea of what I want to hear outside of that.
Ingram: The worst thing is that you get set in your ways. You don’t want to hear anything else. You have enough to listen to. There are occasions that I get new stuff, but it’s stoner/desert rock. Or I will listen to a band I have been listening to for years and find out they have another band and they have 6-7 albums and I chase them down and add them to the collection. It’s not new, but it’s old. It’s how I get through. I do use some modern technology. But it’s not that modern. It’s an old iPod. I use one of those, because the new ones are like a phone. But that’s as modern as I get. My laptop is like 21 years old. I really need a new one…
Dead Rhetoric: You are a priest in the Church of Satan. How long have you been involved and what led you to that calling?
Ingram: My sister committed suicide and I had a very bad break. I was seeing a psychologist. They told me to make a list of all the books I never read and to read them. The first book on that list was The Satanic Bible. The reason I sometimes refrain from saying some of this, is because when you say that ‘I became a Satanist because I was seeing a psychologist,’ people tend to just put two and two together and are assholes about it. But no, it was because of reading that list, because I needed structure. I was going through some serious mental health issues and I needed structure in my life. His idea was to read. You give yourself some time to sit down calmly and that was the first book I read. It really resonated with me. That was 2003. Then it was 2008 when I finally joined. I wanted to do a lot more. Part of it is, ‘study, not worship,’ that’s one essence of Satanism, and I actually wanted to study. So it was a bit before I applied to join. I have met a bunch of great friends, some real movers and shakers, and some outstanding individuals.
Dead Rhetoric: What are your plans for the rest of 2025?
Ingram: We have some festival shows in Europe. There’s also a European tour for about three weeks. We are playing with Jungle Rot and Master. We also have three shows in America, all being well with the visas. I need to get in touch with Gio to tell us what to do next. But yeah, we have a bunch of festival shows and we get offers in all the time. We got one today for Australia and East Asia. So we are discussing it all the time. Who knows what will come up in the next year or so. We are also writing for another new album and will definitely get it started.