Liar’s Tongue – A Crossover Threat

Wednesday, 15th November 2017

Dead Rhetoric: How did you hook up with Arthur Rizk for the mixing/mastering/production duties for the new record – were you already familiar with his work in the past and what do you feel he brought to the table to make the final product special?

Statler: He does a lot of similar bands that we would fit in the category of. For instance, you are familiar with Power Trip- the first thing I remember seeing is his name in a band called War Hungry, and I really like that band. Going from seeing his name on War Hungry to Manifest Destination from Power Trip, this production is next level. I hadn’t really heard anything like it at the time because around the time I started developing a real love for thrash and more metal music – I had listened to Power Trip before that with the Armageddon Blues EP. Listening to that was groundbreaking, a hardcore band playing a completely different sound than I’m used to hearing. I also got into another band called Take Offense that is great for that crossover hardcore/thrash sound.

When I got ahold of Arthur, we had a couple of different options to go through. We initially had a plan to send it off to somebody else. (We decided) if we were going to be forking out a couple of thousand dollars on this, why not just have him do it all. Arthur did Sumerlands, and they are phenomenal, and the Eternal Champion record too. They were mindblowing, the production quality, the mixing and mastering is just amazing. We discussed it, we wanted top tier sounding stuff. He did a really great job on our record.

Dead Rhetoric: Your style crosses over a mixture of hardcore, metal, and thrash nuances – how would you describe your sound to a newcomer, and are there key elements that will always be a part of Liar’s Tongue as you grow and evolve?

Statler: When I’m talking to people that aren’t familiar with metal really, maybe they’ve heard of a few big-name artists like Metallica, Slayer, Pantera- I would just say that we’ve got a really heavy, metallic influence, but on an old Slayer aspect with the riffs. Sometimes I’ll describe our style along the lines of Metallica- we have the thrashy stuff, but we do have a groovy-style to the music.

Miya: We want to bring something to the table to each genre. If you are into heavy music, you will find something that you like in this new record. We wanted it to be something that everybody can appreciate. It would be something that’s timeless, and let the music quality speak for itself.

Statler: We wanted to make sure that we were going to be proud of this release for years to come. We plan on grinding with this full-length, we want to get out on the road and tour as much as we can. It’s hard for me to get out on the road, having kids and a full-time job. I make it work, it’s kind of a once a year thing where I can do something big. The goal with this album is to have it be something that new listeners can always find something with it, even ten years down the road. It would be cool to see the future of the band, what’s it going to be like ten years from now. We are already starting to write new music- we are extremely happy with everything that we’ve done. They are fun to play live- we’ve played some of the new songs back in Tucson, Arizona back in July, and it was fun to see the reaction.

Dead Rhetoric: Brian’s vocals resemble the classic death metal-oriented delivery of John Tardy from Obituary. Was it a conscious decision right away to mix up something different vocally to add another distinction to Liar’s Tongue to separate the band from the pack?

Miya: Honestly, I just pretty much do my own thing. When I get a song, I go over it multiple times in multiple different patterns. I figure out what I like best, trial and error, to piece things together. I wouldn’t even necessarily say that I draw influence from anybody really- everything on there is from my own head. Our bassist Dirty Mike, we sit down together and he pitches some ideas too that we bounce around. We put all our minds together and find what we like best.

Statler: It’s funny that you mention the vocals in a way resembling Obituary because we’ve heard that before- and that’s really cool. At the time, it didn’t really occur to me, but when he resembles John from Obituary it rings a bell in my head- now hearing Brian’s vocals, I can go back to Obituary and see what people are saying. Obituary is a damn good band, all around. Even the early stuff, is awesome- it’s evil, I love it.

Dead Rhetoric: In your view, where are the greatest threats to intellect, and how do individuals arm themselves properly to develop and strength intellect?

Miya: The threat of intellect, to me when I came up with the idea, it’s in regards to the power (residing) within the people. It’s learning to question everything that is going on in the world. When you see something on mainstream media, question why you are seeing it. The people who own all the mainstream media, it’s just propaganda. Putting something in your head, and there’s a reason why they want it in there. The people are playing chess while we are here playing checkers. To be conscious that there is some shady stuff going on – we are being lied to on a lot of different things. Things in the judicial system, I talk a lot about that. How long can we endure this, and just keep taking these blows? How long can we allow these actual injustices to happen until we actually push back?

Dead Rhetoric: What’s the idea behind the album cover art? Where do you see the importance of cover art and imagery when it comes to setting the stage for Liar’s Tongue?

Miya: I came up with the idea of the album art. If someone is going to start a revolution, they are putting themselves out there as a target- but they are also the ones inspiring and showing the truth of what’s going on. By doing that, you are sacrificing yourself to become a martyr. When you look at the image, there’s a guy laying down with a sword in him. That person is sacrificing himself for the cause, but you see his soul rising up and still inspiring people to take on what he left. Andrei Bouzikov really brought out my idea, he brought it to life. It’s so important to send a message, I think artwork can be powerful in that sense- but it’s got to be done right.

Dead Rhetoric: What would you consider three of the most important albums that shaped your viewpoints on hardcore, metal, or thrash?

Statler: For me, as far as hardcore bands go- getting into this genre, definitely Cro Mags are a big influence. They are one of the pioneers into this crossover sound. I feel like on Alpha-Omega, there’s a cool twist and a great crossover record. Secondly, a hardcore band when I first started going to shows that I got into was Cruel Hand. They were one of those bands that in certain aspects resemble Metallica vocal-wise, I thought that was really cool. They are still pushing, it’s awesome to see that band grow- great people in that band as well. For my third band that is influential, Alpha and Omega is a band that I listened to in their early years. They are not together anymore, but that’s the top three for me.

Dead Rhetoric: You’ve set up a Bandcamp page for the new album. How do you feel about social media and digital platforms like this to spread your music? At this point, does the quality of your audience matter as much, if not more, than the quantities?

Statler: That’s a damn good question. This is something that I come across a lot. People are starting to lose interest in the socializing outside of being online, and it’s kind of a bummer. When I started going to shows back in 2005-06 era, it seemed like social media wasn’t as big as it is now. There was more in person engagement, going to shows and you’d see flyers posted everywhere. When I was in ninth grade, getting into shows, there was an all-ages club in downtown Ogden that was 15-20 minutes from where I grew up. It was my favorite venue, I was a young kid and doing promotion/street team for that venue.

People are more interested with online engagement than in person. I like to see bands playing live shows, and social media for today’s age it’s a great way to get your music out there. We’ve had people from all over the world checking us out, getting messages here and there. That’s the most appealing thing as a musician, it’s awesome to have people from all across the world appreciate what you’ve been doing, it’s mind blowing. How would these people hear our music across the world if it wasn’t for social media? Before computers and all that, it was more along the lines of shipping packages around, old school. You can search for music online easier nowadays – but live performances can be hurt by social media in some aspects because people aren’t appreciating the fact that people are out there wanting to see live music. People pick and choose which events they want to support. Social media is a good source of checking things out- especially with technology. It’s advanced so much even in the last five years.

Dead Rhetoric: How do you see the next twelve months shaping up for Liar’s Tongue in support of this new record? Would you ever consider working on a conceptual/performance video for one of the songs, and has work begun on the songwriting for the follow-up effort?

Statler: I hope some offers will come our way. I want to link up with a really cool band to do a good two- week tour, more of the Midwest and the upper East Coast stuff. We would love to see those places. We’ve had a lot of love on the road, especially down south. We want to line up something for mid-December, sitting on things until something pops up. For the next twelve months, we want to play the This Is Hardcore festival – our bass player has played it with another band, and he said it was the most eye-opening experience. We are working on new music, we want to push even more music now. Hopefully by the middle of 2018, we will have more new content out. Especially having a new guitar player in the band (Reiley Van Wagoner), the future is an open book right now.

Miya: We are writing new material, Tyler’s been showing us what he’s been writing. Things are progressing leaps and bounds, we will all step it up on the next release. We will be recording new things, and we just want to hit the road.

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